What’s This Mormon Thing?

Hostile Anti-Mormon posts subject to editing or deletion

Archive for the ‘Church Attendance’ Category

Mormons Who Go Bad – Loosing one’s Faith

Posted by JLFuller on August 10, 2008

In a bishops interview we are asked if we are living the principles of the Gospel. That is, praying, paying a full tithing, attending our meetings, living a chaste life if unmarried, observing God sanctioned sexual behavior within the bounds of marriage between one man and one woman, observing the sanctity of the Sabbath, reading the scriptures daily, regular temple worship for those with a recommend and so forth. Yet I have yet to talk with anyone who espouses the former-Mormon-turned-anti-Mormon point of view who kept the vows they made with God when they entered the waters of baptism, received confirmation and took upon themselves Temple covenants.

 

  The very manifestations of the Holy Ghost that we so regularly need are based on how well we live the promises we make to God. When we make these covenants we essentially agree to live by a higher standard than others do. We chose to rise above the normal human understanding of things and seek to understand God by changing the natural man. We acknowledge that the natural man is an enemy to God and promise to work towards being a more holy person and that we desire to be a Son of God in the biblical sense Paul talks about – that is, more Christ like. When we break our covenants we give up the right to the companionship of the Holy Ghost. In fact I suggest we regress to a point of no promise. In essence we loose our faith.

 

  We lose it for a variety of reasons but I suggest it is mostly due to sexually inappropriate behavior brought on by pornography which in turn leads to other worldly behaviors, adhering to worldly ideas and rejecting the counsel of the prophet and apostles. We kind of go our own way. One really devastating thing I see among some members is a commitment to the “intellectual honesty” meme. My reasoning is based on twenty five years experience working with dysfunctional people on a professional basis. These people got into trouble because they came to a place where they felt entitled to their behavior and believed they could get away with what ever they wanted to do. They bought off on the big lie.      

 

 The purpose in clinging tightly to our covenants is not to force people into a way of thinking but rather to open up the pathway to heavenly communication. The Gospel does not aim to dictate how to live but to make it so God can enter our lives and direct us. But all is hinged on us living the principles of the Gospel and rejecting the worldliness we see all around us. Worldliness is not normal for holy beings but it is normal for the natural man who is God’s enemy.

 

 Some are going to say that they can do all the things I mention above in any other faith. Of course others outside the Church can elevate themselves to a higher level of living and become more Christ like. But they can only go so far. No other faith has the authority to bind on earth and make it binding in heaven too. No one else can prepare people for a celestial existence. No one else has the authority of the priesthood. Only Christ has that authority and only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the Gospel in its fullness. If you reject this after having made the covenants of baptism and the additional covenants found within the temple I suggest you are in deep trouble. You don’t go back to a state of just not knowing as we see in the other non-members who don’t know. You have in fact rejected God. That is different than merely not knowing Him.

 

Some say they left the Church because they found God as a member of something else. But when you examine their lives you see a completely different human being than they portray to the public. More often than not you see a public “Christian” and a worldly real person underneath. I have never found it to be otherwise. But then I have only worked with a few hundred members, former members and their families. I could be wrong. One caveat – being a member in name only does not automatically include a person in the ranks of those I talk about here.

 

So, what does all this mean? Does it mean all good Mormons should reject those who have fallen away? Should we act coolly to them and their families? Certainly not. If anything we are required to show an extra measure of love and kindness to them in hopes of welcoming them back into full fellowship. But the reality is that some of these folks can do a lot misinforming and damage to Christ and the Church. They have placed us in a precarious position. On one hand we are admonished to encourage them and even be anxious for their full fellowship. On the other hand we are encouraged to inform the misinformed of the disinformation some spread about us. And so it is my sense that the honest of heart in the former member ranks make every attempt for re-instatement into the Church. They should call upon God for His guidance and follow it. But by no means should we as members be shy about correcting the damage others inflict on the Church keeping in mind the Saviors words that doing unto the least of our brethren is like doing unto Him.  

 

 (Note: More Mormons are disciplined in the Church for illegal and inappropriate sexual behaviors and financial misdealing than any other reasons according to one source although I am not aware of any publicly available statistics to support my contention. I found that to be the case with the population I supervised as a case manager too. Disciplining means being disfellowshipped or excommunicated.)

 

 

Posted in Anti-Mormon, Biblical searching, Christian bible, Christian Love, Christian Service, Church Attendance, Mormon, Mormon History, Mormonism, testimony, Uncategorized | Tagged: , , , , , , , , , | Leave a Comment »

Does God Answer Questions?

Posted by JLFuller on August 2, 2008

Some say He is dead or that He doesn’t speak to man anymore. But yet they pray and expect miracles. Some people are very quick to limit God. One lady had her questions answered. http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/exhibit#Jennifer_prayer.

Posted in Biblical searching, Christian bible, Church Attendance, testimony, Uncategorized | Tagged: , , , , , , , , , | 16 Comments »

Can Man Become a God?

Posted by JLFuller on July 20, 2008

If you believe what the bible says, yes.   Psalms 82:1,6-71 John 3:1-3, 2 Peter 1:2-4, Phillipians 2:5-6,  Romans 8:15-17, and Revelation 21:7 all talk about it. Genesis 3:22 indicates the belief has been around since before the earth was first populated. Many historical texts talk about it too.  Athanasius of Alexandria  wrote “God became human so humans would become gods” (On the Incarnation 54:3, PG 25:192B).  Maximus the Confessor said “A sure warrant for looking forward with hope to deification of human nature is provided by the incarnation of God, which makes man god to the same degree as God Himself became man.” and “let us become the image of the one whole God, bearing nothing earthly in ourselves, so that we may consort with God and become gods, receiving from God our existence as gods.” 
Many non-Mormon commentators have suggested Mormons believe we become equal to God the Father but that just isn’t quite correct. Mormon theology is a bit circumspect about it. The Maxwell Institute says “The state of man is also explained in Psalms 8:4-5, which asks, “What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.” The word rendered “angels” in the King James and some other translations is Hebrew Elohim, which actually means “gods. See also Paul’s reasoning in Acts 17:22-29, where he says that humans are of the same species (Greek genos) as God and shouldn’t think of him as being otherwise.”  http://farms.byu.edu/faq.php?id=20&table=questions.
Some may argue that Eloheim actually means ruler or judge but Strong’s #430 says gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative — angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.” It is translated as angels too but not as the first rank order definition so one must look elsewhere for further clarification and usage. The Biblical Heritage Center says the first rank of definitions is god or gods with angels, rulers and judges being second rank meanings. So is this Mormon concoction? Not according to scripture.

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Posted in Biblical searching, Christian bible, Christian Service, Chritian Service, Church Attendance, Mormon polytheism | Tagged: , , , | 3 Comments »

Video – Will I Be With My Family After Death?

Posted by JLFuller on July 18, 2008

Has this question ever arisen in your conversations? I suppose it has in just about everybody’s. New Momon Tony speaks about his questions – http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/exhibit#Tony_life_after_death

Posted in Christian bible, Christian Love, Christian Service, Church Attendance, Mormon, Mormonism, testimony | Tagged: , , , | Leave a Comment »

Video – What Some New Mormons Said

Posted by JLFuller on July 18, 2008

There is nothing like getting it from the horse’s mouth. You hear one side now see and hear what some others had to say. Click this link http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/exhibit#Isaiah_missing_in_my_life.

Posted in Biblical searching, Christian Love, Christian Service, Church Attendance, Mormon, Mormonism, testimony | Tagged: , , , , | 2 Comments »